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Why can't the Catholic Church admit they have Gay Priests?

Honestly...

And these are the people that tell others to do "Hail Marys" and "Our Fathers"

They call each other Father and Brother, women they all call sister (funny how there's no "Mother" in that case); in fact, what do you call a Female Priest? Oh, I know - "Episcopalian", except Mother Superior - she's accepted a support role subservient to the Priest which may or may not be qualified to be over her. Yes, Mary was the favorite disciple - get used to it.

They dress pre-teen boys in frilly lace and we wonder why we didn't see it earlier? They should get a website matching Gay Priests, like Match.com, you know? "I like St. Francis, Latin Mass, Liturgy, Catastrophic Catechisms, Long Walks on the Beach leaving one set of footprints in the sand...can you carry me? You Handsome hunk of a man...Send Photo of Rosary and Head Shot"

And what's with the incense, huh? Don't you know there's a city ordinance against smoking?

Seriously someone should impeach the pope and have a tea party revolution in the church. After all it's not a party if the pope's in attendance. Unlike Jesus, da pope is usually a stick in the mud...can you imagine a pope dancing with strippers? Church, stop trying to mold people through inflaming and suppressing natural human expression. Sex is NOT yours to monkey with. You have NO CLAIM on a person's eternal soul and you have NO RIGHT to intervene between man and God. So stop pretending that you have any relevance and leave us the Hell alone you "Brood of Vipers". Jesus does not sit in the pope's chair. He probably can't stand what's become of his teachings, anyway. K? Just fade, already.

The Church is alive and I like it.

It runs the best charitable organizations in my city, and asks no questions of who believes what concerning who they help. They also have a great tradition of mysticism and devotion to God with their saints.

I worry far more about the modern "evangelical" movement.

There is a reason I put that down. I'm not talking to you, though of course you are free to comment as you please. Just know I'm not aiming this at anyone who believes in that way. I uphold and support your belief in that it works for you. My main issue is how the institution negatively affects individuals in their ascent to God. This is why I post - to assert publicly that what has been planted will sprout in the proper season.

To recap, that's:
1. Go to Church every week and sometimes more than once a week and commit your energy and efforts in its success
2. Sacrifice your desires not because you want to but because we say you should
3. Let us tell you how to repay the offenses you've committed (by church standards) and submit yourself to the punishment decided by another man (that the church trained)
4. Make sure you remain attached to the church by coming by at least once every year on a pagan celebration of renewal and fertility (see notes below on this massive subject)
5. Give your money to the Church (remind them 10%)
6. Let us stand between you and your spouse and your marriage and God and give us the authority to pronounce what is already so and is a legally created institution having nothing to do with the Church.

Notes on EASTer
Son/Sun (Symbol of the Masculine and God the Father) Rises in the East. The Moon is the counterpart to the Sun and represents the Feminine (and the heavy emphasis on Mother Mary) so EASTer is by definition:
In other words, EASTer is the first SUNday after the full MOON that occurs on or just after the Equinox and is not a fixed date, so the intention is to observe the celestial movements as being important rather than the date. Does anyone recognize the push for "Sonrise Services"? Fact is that EASTer is a pagan celebration covered in Christian fabric. But that's all pretty elementary stuff for readers of this board. Moving on:

Catholic Heresies and Human Traditions:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/catholic_heresies-a_list.htm

Any organization that protects their own when they have a documented, provable history of repeated, compulsive sexual abuse is one that harbors fugitives, exhibits contempt of the law, and puts the safety of the children second to protecting the image of the church as being the definer of human spirituality and ethics/morality. If the priority was to protect the people, they'd hand over every single one of their priests who have multiple offenses, but no they won't take the hit on the chin. They won't accept that homosexuality is a biological compulsion because they've invested too much energy into condemning it as a "choice" and they can't admit that they have gay priests. It's not about celibacy but about recognizing the extreme diversity of human existence. Just because a man is a priest doesn't mean he's perfect or that his "failures" reflect poorly on the church.



NOTHING would be better for the church than my 5-point plan outlined here:
[*]Turn over each and every multiple offender to the police in the area where the offense(s) were committed. PERIOD.
[*]Assign a group of specially trained priests to a ministry counseling them in prison, by letter writing or internet chat, in person as possible, etc
[*]DO NOT under any circumstances excommunicate ANY of them, even the most heinous
[*]Make a Global Press Release Solely Devoted to the Pope Himself explicitly stating the Church's Compassionate and Understanding Treatment of the Priests Implicated drawing more on the parallel of Jesus' treatment of Mary Magdalene at her attempted Stoning than on the Old Testament Jewish vitriol on Abomination and Strongly State the Church's Cooperation with Secular Law in this matter, promising immediate and complete facility in getting their Priests Fair Trials
[*]Create a Papal Council of Outreach to Gay Catholics, recognizing Jesus would have embraced the outcast, not abandoned him.

The Protestant Echo of this imbalanced teaching by the church is found in the story of Ted Haggard.

I heartily applaud Good Ol' Ted with some emotional honesty and the desire to be a public face to this issue that is challenging conventional Christian Doctrine. I think it makes him a stronger Christian better able to minister to the regular Joe.

Here's a viewpoint --

This Catholic Church institution is operating in this dualistic world where all of life is constantly unfolding regardless of what's negative or positive, so I presume it is necessarily of value to those who choose its experiences -- and to those who react to it.

That's how it looks just now. It could look different to me in some next moment.

2 cents and less,
Linda

I agree with the above.



That's your experience and opinion. Millions are positively affected with their relationships with the Catholic Church.

Thanks for the responses, folks. I withdraw my contentions to let it be what it is.

lol…

I am not sure I am capable to be devout anything, but I am catholic, and like Sage said, that‘s not my experience. And what gives me the opportunity to ascent is my own experience not what anybody else says about it. I think this is so for everyone, and I think people ascent right there wherever they are. A conscious experience will always give you the opportunity to ascent to god.

I'm androgynous and I don't believe in the Pope

Being gay and deciding to be a priest in an old, traditional Catholic church always confounded me because it's a real conflict of lifestyles and beliefs.

I believe being gay, asexual or androgynous are reflections of our modern way of thinking and living, so why would one think that a confining culture (that most religions are btw) would accept such modes of behaviour?

It just perpetuates misery, struggle and general states of unhappiness and/or dissatisfaction from both the gay/asexual/andro community as well as

I say, ditch the old school religious farts and their constipated view of the world and start a new religion/way of living that can be based partially on the teachings of the old that are relevant to the world as we know it in 2010.

Hey whether one's straight or bent, happiness and peace comes first yo!

Jell-ster