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Don't read me literally.

And don't read NDW literally.

Look for truth in between, the place that your heart understands...

Hmm, you know, people have different interpretations of what they read I guess, maybe your interpretation of the words i mentioned was different from mine. Nothing wrong with that I suppose. I didn't think of that...

You remember what you said in another thread, about my own biased against Christianity? There have been certain events that have happened since that time. See, I wanted a copy of the bible for my own private study purposes, and it so happened a Christian guy that works where I work has plenty of copies of them. Now, although I asked him about it privately, and although he handed it to me after we had finished work (it was still on the work floor)-don't tell anyone in Australia I said this-but I heard that there was a bit of a situation with the boss, who saw it, and made a remark that "we can't have this happening on the floor!" and I heard this really upset another Christian I work with (not the guy in question).

The thing is, I feel awful that my actions have caused hurt, and seeing that some of people of this religion do actually get hurt and offended when they are shunned and mocked has made me...how should I put this...slightly more aware, and conscious of the things I say. Now, if it had been a porn magazine that this guy had handed me on the work floor, then yes, I would fully expect to get in trouble for that, but that wasn't the case....I wonder if the same reaction would have been caused if it was a copy of the Qur'an I had asked for (I am also looking to study this book as well, in my own private time)? No matter. Point Dee is, that these recent events have really helped me realize a few things...so if I offended any Christian on this board, I do apologize...

Indeed? Well to be honest, the only other possible way you could logically interpret aliens giving us technology is if you consider people from other countries as "aliens"...i.e. if you're a racist. Then again, I suppose some people would be of the belief that certain technologies were past on to us from humans from other dimensions, and classified these humans as "aliens", though I am quite confident that what I read was referring to aliens from Outer Space...oh, and that reminds me, in a few billion years, the Andromeda Galaxy is going to collide with the Milky Way and the Solar System could be completely doomed!!

You sure have a lot of questions for a guy with all the answers Stephen.

I don't have any questions or answers for you. I've said what I wanted to say to you, repeatedly.

How you view it, is your call.

That's because answers only lead to more questions...the solar system might be ejected or become part of some great big super galaxy, we just don't know. We won't live to see it regardless. Unless we do.

I like facts. I like being RIGHT about things. But pride has been humans downfall. If you wish to say no more, I can't make you, though I do thank you for your participation regardless. I wish some of the mods or someone would just confess that the words about aliens at least WAS in either Book 2 or 3. I can't find my copy of the book and can't be stuffed buying a new one. I'm dreaming though, so I will leave it be.

Stephen your original post stated four reasons you were "concerned" with the CwG books.

1 - the idea that we have received technological advancements from alien sources seemed far-fetched.

2 - the notion that humans are more highly evolved souls than animals was a big contradiction for you.

3 - you took issue with the notion of thanking god in advance to make good things happen to you.

4 - you took issue with the implication that our society was meant to have the older generations raise the children that the younger generations birthed.

I don't wish to debate these topics with you. My point all along has been that we did not read the same books. Yes Stephen - we literally read the same books, but we did not read them the same way, therefore making our reading experiences completely different.

No two people read a book the same way, it is read through our own internal filtration system, our own insecurities, hopes, dreams, fears, conditioning and societal understandings.

What you are "concerned" about, I found thought provoking.

We each have a tool called discernment, and it is that tool that allows us to filter information through our internal mechanisms to find either the personal merit and fly with it, or to see what does not compute and let it go.

Why do you feel concern at all? Seriously, get to the bottom of your concern Stephen. For Stephen, not for Dee, it has nothing to do with me. I didn't read the same books you read.

It isn't the books you read, or the books I read, or the words in them, or the concepts around those words that are important. What is important is the reaction Stephen felt, and the foundation of the feelings that caused that reaction.

Stephen I feel inspired to address your concern about animals having lower consciousness based on the notion that everything is happening in one infinite moment.

Nothing is "older" than anything. I created it ALL AT ONCE, and All Of It exists right now. -B2-P30

Does this statement mean that since everything was created all at once, and all exists right now, that everything is equally as "aware"?

Animals are not self-aware in the context which we are. They are creatures of instinct, and they are lucky for it. I would love to have purely instinct driving me, so that I did not spend hours a day out of my life thinking, wondering, worrying, planning, scheming, mechanizing...

Animals have no self-aware consciousness in the way which we do, and I believe this is how I read that part of the book. I did not see NDW saying Animals are worse off than people because of this, because everything is all happening at once Stephen.

Everything is made equally.

Everything is just experiencing individually differently, and that is through free will and choice.

I know I have had a lifetime or 10 as a bear, the draw is too strong to neglect. Do you think in my bear lifetime(s) I was all of a sudden a lower level soul? No, of course not, my soul is what it is, but my consciousness shifted, to that of bear. To that of hunter, gatherer, protector, instinctive creature. My soul capacity is never diminished by the consciousness I wear in whatever lifetime I am focused on.

You are placing value on "evolved" as though being "more evolved" is something better than being "less evolved".

That is separation - playing duality within your understanding.

Is the tree any more loved by God than the seed?

Do you think the mountain is wiser than the hill?

Will the ocean get into heaven before the stream?

I am older than you, does that mean I am better?

One important thing to remember Stephen is not to over-intellectualize these concepts of the heart, because your mind can not possibly grasp in the proper way or order what it means for everything to be created at once, and to be existing at once, in an infinite glorious moment.

While everything is indeed happening at one time, every lifetime you have ever had/will ever have, every experience, there is a sense of disconnect from this infinite moment because we are travelling on the timeling of space/time. So my soul may be "older" than yours, and your soul may be "older" than hers, and her's maybe older than "mine".... ahhhhh complexity. Don't wrap your brain around it.

Faith doesn't need to inspect it's naval. It simply is.

Ha ha, that's funny, that you have essentially confessed that we HAVE read the same books. Dee, what you are saying is essentially correct, but when I look at many Christians, and Muslims, that bible bash or whatever, that claim the books are absolute gospel, it has been my observation that many particular individuals within a certain religious organization will claim that their holy book comes from the one true whatever, and will only pick the pieces within the book that suit them or even change the words within their holy book for their own purposes...often doing this without realizing it, still believing that they are following their gospel. At least this has been my observation. To give you an example, I have found that many people that claim to believe in the bible tend to ignore the old testament, and Muslim extremists might be inclined to interpret purging the world of infidels as killing infidels, rather then converting them to Muhammad or Allah or whoever it is they believe in.

I don't disagree with the fact that we should pick the truths within the books that work best for us, and if others don't, we have the right to reject them, but that's part of why I feel debating such issues within the books is a good idea, rather then simply ignore them, surely it is wise to open them to scrutiny, because to be quite honest, if anything within the CWG books could be proven to be absolutely true, then I would think that would be pretty awesome. It certainly all felt "right" to me when I first read it all.



But you did, as you already confessed. You merely ignored the bits that didn't sit as Truth with you...there is nothing "wrong" with this of course, nothing wrong with having different interpretations or anything like that, I guess when I read any text, I don't just listen to my feelings, as I got very good feelings from CWG as you probably all know, but I do feel that it's dangerous to allow these feelings to overwhelm one's logic-I have little doubt that this is what many Christians refer to as the "holy ghost", that when something feels so right and true to someone. Yes, I've felt that holy ghost when in Christian churches in regards to much of what was said, but I did not feel it when they were condemning homosexuality as some kind of massive sin against God.



Well I guess from where I'm coming from, regardless of what anyone else believes, what causes this reaction within me is a concern to not become too fanatical, to try and let go of a desire to be "right", as I've said before, I LIKE being right, and that's pride, which is a spiritual weakness. Part of me WANTS the books to be gospel truth, as that would mean the Universe is absolutely fantastic. So by asking questions about certain issues I take within the text, it helps me keep more of a critical mind, something that is not an easy thing to maintain, when so much is going on.

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I exist within the laws of Time. Whether I like it or not, I can't simply wake up tomorrow in the year 1999 and talk to my now dead father, such a thing is impossible. Perhaps when I'm dead, Time will disappear and I might be able to, but despite what the book said about creating it all at once, there is a bit of a contradiction, when the books also mention that Neale is within his 300th incarnation or whatever (that is not the exact figure, it was either two hundred and something I believe, but I cannot recall), which implies that despite the fact that there is a Godhead, we are still spirit beings that exist as an individuation of that greater whole. Time only goes forwards, down the stream...oh, unless you're traveling faster then the speed of light, of course, but that's not going to happen in our lifetime, unless someone really smart is born or aliens come and visit us in 2012 and give us a boost or whatever.



Who are we to be the judge of this? Elephants have funerals for their fallen, and have a greater awareness then most people gives them credit for. Then again, you are correct of course, that this is within a different context.



I'm not too sure about that Dee, though it would make sense that most mothers would have a great deal more in common with mother bears, then their father counterparts. The mother bear protects children at all costs. I quite admire bears for this quality.




I'll work through this backwards...with age, comes more wisdom, unless of course you haven't paid any attention. Generally speaking an older person is more likely to have wisdom then a young person still learning things...but there's an exception to every rule. Secondly, the Ocean is often used as a metaphor for God, and the collective of humanity, so the stream is a small portion of that greater consciousness, and a single human is just a drop within that stream. Perhaps the mountain is wiser then the hill, by choosing to live closer to a tectonic plate or some such, because the mountain knows that if the humans around it pisses them off it can crush them in a landslide. Would I consider seeds anything special if they didn't have the ability to slowly grow into trees? Probably not, because we would all be dead.



I agree with this, that the heart feels things that the mind does not, but we should not rule out logic entirely. Countless advances have been made on this planet because people chose to think critically.



As I said, the books quite explicitly claim that Neale has had a specific number of lifetimes before his present incarnation. This implies that even as we pass on, the spirit still experiences a certain timeline, yes the books also say that you can be at two places in the same time, seeing yourself in a future incarnation and previous incarnation, and see that you can have a vision of yourself in a future life, even if that future life is back in the 1940's if you're currently living in the 2010's or whenever, but that's still in YOUR future of the Greater Timeline that transcends the 4 dimensions we live in, and is probably another dimension beyond that, 5th, 6th or 7th perhaps. Everyone's timeline begins with God and ends with God though, regardless of what happens.



I've been quite sick recently, vomiting and so on, and it has not been fun...so forgive me if some of the things I've said has come across as callous or offensive at all, I know that you're going through a tough time, so I am trying to keep my passion about these things to a minimum. I am more happy to exchange ideas though, it helps keep my mind off how I am feeling...

Stephen I appreciate your working through this for yourself.

Please remember, it is for Stephen you do this, not for Dee. Just as my talking to you is for Dee, not for Stephen.

We did physically read the same book - but we didn't read the same words. I guarantee it.

The way you look at the world is not at all the way I look at it, and that makes our realities extremely different, which makes our perception of many ideas and notions and belief systems very different.

I didn't read the books you read.

That makes absolutely no sense at all, how can you claim to have read the same books as me exactly yet the words you read are different?

Stephen have fun on the rides, the amusement park is at your disposal

OK Stephen is referring to:



As to that, Stephan, who cares? What difference does it make right now how we got here? And what if NDW wasn't channeling god at that moment and only his higher intellect and desires were being printed? Again, why care? Believe what you wish to believe around it, it doesn't really matter anyways. Unless you make it matter, of course.

Next Stephen refers to this passage:



Not a contradiction at all, as I see it. It seems to be about a choice. Again, I ask (or perhaps you should ask yourself): why does it matter? Seems a whole lotta fuss for something that you can't prove until after you die. Aren't there a lot of funner ways to waste one's time? Like World of Warcraft, Farmville or something?

Stephen, your third statement comes from:



This is also what the book The Secret talks about in depth. I utilize this method all the time and have found it works for me. The key is not to expect something to happen, just know it will. Once you remove the emotional attachment to the outcome, however, it really doesn't matter if you get the thing or not. And, of course, the key to getting a thing is removing the emotional attachment to it and replace it with the KNOWING, rather than the EXPECTING. I have found it quite tricky, but worth the effort. Many people cannot remove the expectation, however, for this is all they know and know not how to not expect. It is an evolution of knowing yourself. I see that you have already placed an expectation on what you are doing and how it should provide for you, and you have, therefore, not been able to release what you think should happen and embrace what will happen. So manifesting a thing, for you, is like wading through mud.

And last, the quote you refer to is:



I agree, that there are many grandparents that are just as messed up (if not more) than we are ourselves. I agree that they do have a unique perspective, however, that has been honed by a lifetime of experiences that we have yet to face as younger people. Just like you have a completely different view from when you were a kid. As an adult, you have been through it, but as a kid you just think that you know what it will be. I think that you will find that the majority of grandparents will be far more patient and less afraid than most new parents, for they have been there and tend to understand the mistakes that they have experienced and tend to not repeat them. There are exceptions to everything, but over all, I think that pawning my kid off to my mom would be GREAT!

Cheers!

Drew

By a HEB'S ass, thanks SO much Drew for doing all that hard work for me!! Yes THOSE are the EXACT passages that I was referring to in my comments earlier!! Yes, yes, YES! See Dee?! You see...do you SEE? SEEEEEE?!!